Link: Anti-vaccination is reasonable

Best summary of the vaccine scam I have ever read.

Philosophies of a Disenchanted Scholar

https://aeon.co/essays/anti-vaccination-might-be-rational-but-is-it-reasonable

Completely ignores all the vaccine reaction and damage cases but fine.

There was a study of mothers and their vaccine attitude, the rejecting mothers had higher average IQ. It was a minor point mentioned once.

The lower IQ tend to take all available medicines because they’re free or cheap and they trust the doctors.

The smarter people say “why should I risk my child for yours”?

And there is no rationally valid answer to this.

Doctors make mistakes.

It all comes down to emotional appeal.

The phrasing of ‘vaccine rejection’ implies they are the default. In medicine, there is no default treatment.

Every treatment must be tailored to the patient, and if there’s nothing wrong with them in the first place, there is no medical need for a treatment. Due to the legal protections of the companies and doctors’ kickbacks dispensing these vaccines, and the secrecy and fraud of…

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5 Responses to Link: Anti-vaccination is reasonable

  1. Foxfier says:

    How does he claim to have “demonstrated” that herd immunity is false?

    It seems like he’s responding to all the same ignorant supporters of vaccines that I spend way, waaaaaay too much time arguing with*, but is using all their bad definitions. I ask, because you clearly read him, and it’s also pretty clearly a different…. argh, brain no workie, was up all night with the kids being sick… group with definitions that everybody knows, shared format, shared background? I could go try to find it, but it would take days to try to puzzle out his precise meaning.

    I’m a ranch kid– I know that herd immunity works, because it’s just a description of the resistance when most of your herd has already had a disease. Resistance, not the magical immunity that a lot of vaccination cheerleaders believe in– a vaccine is just hacking your immune system so that it acts like you’ve had the disease, without the whole “getting horribly sick and maybe dying” part. Although there are risks and costs, too, not just in money; I went to a college presentation paid for by the vaccine company to correct the gov’t randomly deciding that a specific vaccine that should NEVER be used on pregnant cows, but was OK for nursing cows, should be used on pregnant cows. Resulted in a really high loss rate for the calves those cows were carrying. Cattlemen that are out of business don’t buy much vaccine, so they were go around explaining how and why it SHOULD NOT be used the way the gov’t was saying. Made money for the college they were partnered with, too.

    But it’s not magic. It’s just your own immune system. It doesn’t work to keep you from getting something with lots of variations, like a cold or flu, and it doesn’t make you IMMUNE.

    Same way that you can actually get chickenpox more than once, even the same strain, if your immune system is compromised and the infection is strong enough. (And stress, or another illness, compromises your system.) That’s why a neighbor who doesn’t do basic health treatment on cattle is a risk, because the sickness will get established and spread to other cattle that were healthy enough to resist it when it wasn’t– I visualize it as a ton of little enemy terrorists heading for your immune system. Elaborate so the FBI has the facial recognition software for a specific disease invader as you may. 😀

    You can see the same pattern of infection in trees, both orchards and the forests– you might be familiar with the pine borer in Oregon. If you remove dead trees, it’s a minor pest; if you don’t remove dead trees, and you don’t let them burn…. *shudder* You can fly over and see big round holes in the forest where the trees have been killed by the beetles.

    A big problem with getting decent data on vaccines is that they’ll class me as an “anti-vax” sort, because I think it’s a tool instead of being magic and my kids are vaccinated for things that are either high danger if you get them, or very low risk of complications and no moral objections in their production. They are not vaccinated for STDs. -.-

    * There’s nothing quite like being informed by a supposed “doctor” or “scientist” on line that if the folks at Disneyland had been vaccinated, they wouldn’t have gotten sick; even a basic survey of the last several measles outbreaks would show that the vaccinated just get it slightly less often and don’t die or suffer as serious of complications.

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  2. mobiuswolf says:

    Referenced this pdf.
    http://www.nvic.org/CMSTemplates/NVIC/pdf/Live-Virus-Vaccines-and-Vaccine-Shedding.pdf

    You obviously know more about it than i do. It’s difficult to get good info from either side and I only just follow a lot of it . I just tend not to buy anything that is being sold with so many obvious lies. The threats to already dietarily compromised immune systems loom larger than the threat from herd disease. Particularly considering our isolation.

    Also, the health professionals I know, while mostly unwilling to say too much, go out of their way to avoid vaccination for them and theirs.

    and finally while I can understand risking a cow or two to protect the herd, applying that logic to my grandkids just doesn’t work for me. I only have three.

    Now I have to go back and try to grok your comment . :o)

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    • mobiuswolf says:

      Oh yeah. The fact that the government pushes them so hard is a great disincentive for me, as well. I know they’re stupid. and greedy

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      • Foxfier says:

        “Get a flu shot every year!”
        “Oh, the flu seasons was extra bad– it must have been the people who didn’t get shots. Wait, what’s that? The folks who DID get shots were disproportionately sick? Uh… get a flu shot every year!”

        Nag nag NAG….And it’s not even like Lockjaw, where being sick is more than being miserable.

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    • Foxfier says:

      Thank you!

      Honestly, if you stick to only those vaccines that are for really dangerous diseases , and have a long history of low risk, it’s a good path. You’re still going to be put in danger by people who follow the “magic shot” method and imagining that vaccination is immunity.

      A good way to stop someone getting too big on vaccines is to ask them if their school has mandatory smallpox vaccination. If they say yes, they’re lying; if they say no, ask why. 😀 (On both the subject of virus shedding and horrible side-effects; I’ve mentioned before, my then-future husband is one of those who was hospitalized from his reaction to smallpox. It was extra miserable because we didn’t do the shots until we were at sea and then the ship was on lockdown for a couple of days.)

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